Talk:Xbox (console)

Proposed merge of Xbox modding into Xbox (console)#Modding

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Closed as merge. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Article is mostly WP:OR. Any slight extra info can easily be added to the article on the console without being undue. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

a merge sounds in accordance to policy to me. Blitzfan51 speak to the manager 19:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Support. Xbox modding article as it stands does not seem like an article suitable for Wikipedia, for both its sourcing and formatting. Merko (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Support barely any substantial information. It could even be deleted altogetherBlue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 14:44, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support, but just delete it. The article is supported primarily by weak sourcing, no need to mention beyond, perhaps, that the Xbox can and has been modded. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: @Merko: @Blitzfan51: Do any of you object to Xbox modding being deleted? If not, I will put it up as a proposed deletion. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 05:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't really see a reason to delete it, it's a valid search term. It would literally redirect to the "Modding" section in the Xbox article making it the most accurate redirect name wise. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Agreed with Zxcvbnm, can stay as redirect Merko (talk) 08:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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it is essential to add a category "Discontinued video game consoles" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.235.182.37 (talk) 16:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Mentioning Insignia, the Xbox Live replacement servers

It's worth adding the mention of Insignia, the Xbox Live replacement server, under the section "Discontinuation and Successors", alongside the mention of Xlink Kai. This brings back the proper online functionality of the console

Here is the link to the Insignia Wikipedia page:

Insignia (Xbox) Knead4speed (talk) 01:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Correct the FLOPS number on the Xbox's GPU.

The Xbox Floating-Point performance figure is innacurate, the article linked doesn't specify where the 20GFLOPS figure comes from.

It was debated on Beyond3D forums, and the conclusion is that the GPU has 4.66GFLOPS of Floating-Point performance. Please, edit this.

Source: https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/historical-gpu-flops-performance.45255/page-2#post-1281200 JidoBarbeiro (talk) 13:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Wikipedia can't use a forum thread as a citation, see WP:RS. We have to stick with the existing Eurogamer figure. - MrOllie (talk) 13:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I see, then the figure should at least be removed, because it's not only wrong, but also Eurogamer didn't cite that number at all. JidoBarbeiro (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

By the way, here is a videogame conference from Europe that has the corrected number:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sdLA3XWUg8&feature=youtu.be

Look at minute 7, please.

In case the source is still considered not reliable, the Wikipedia page on reliable sources says that Wikipedia should not have a saying on ambiguous subjects, so it should be removed. JidoBarbeiro (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Gamespot article rating it at 20 gflops — Masem (t) 19:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't site the source though. Where does the 20GFLOPS number come from? JidoBarbeiro (talk) 01:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, again, the Eurogamer site does not say anything about the 20GFLOPS number. Please, remove it, or I will do it myself and correct the number to 4.66GFLOPS once my account meets the criteria. JidoBarbeiro (talk) 01:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

10. Microsoft Xbox

Despite releasing five years before the Wii on November 15, 2001, Microsoft's original Xbox offered 1.6x more FLOPS than Nintendo's motion-based console with its Nvidia NV2A GPU. Its graphics solution was clocked at 233MHz, which allows it to break into the top 10 with its 20 gigaFLOPS. Masem (t) 01:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Not enough, it doesn't state how that number is reached, it just says the number without backing it up without anything more. Can you site a more reliable source coming from Microsoft themselves for example? Or at least the calculations on how that number is reached? JidoBarbeiro (talk) 01:43, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

We have no requirement for that. Unless you have another reliable source that says something different, we go with the numbers quoted in reliable sources. And forums and random youtube videos are not reliable sources. Masem (t) 01:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think GameSpot is reliable either, that article is written by "Jimmy Thang". Who even is he? He is not even active/relevant on that site anymore.And as far as I know, he isn't any NVIDIA/Microsoft engineer to take it's word. What arguments are you using to believe GameSpot is reliable? JidoBarbeiro (talk) 02:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, looking at the numbers of that page, it lists the Nintendo Switch as being 1TFLOP, which we know it's not the case and even contradicts Wikipedia's own Switch page. You are not citing any reliable source. JidoBarbeiro (talk) 02:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I have been looking for other sources, but surprising, I cannot find any other RSes that speak to the FLOPS of the Xbox at all (even in academia). I can say tehre may be doubts to the 20 GFLOPS but we absolutely cannot use forums to source that information, we need reliable sources to back it up. — Masem (t) 02:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:VG/S is the list of sources we consider reliable. Masem (t) 02:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks for pointing that Wikipedia videogame article, I will give it a thorough read.

Regarding the floating-point performance on the Xbox, in case a forum is not considered a reliable source, and no academic reliable source could be found... can at least be deleted and just not make mention of it? This way, the controversy ends and the Wikipedia article doesn't end with a number that can't be accurately calculated. The Eurogamer source is OK, but they don't mention that number anywhere.

My suggestion is to just remove the number while keeping the Eurogamer article this time. JidoBarbeiro (talk) 03:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)