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Sam of the Sam & Max series is based off the Irish Wolfhound. Don't know if it belongs in the article, just sayin'

Signed and dated for archive purposes only. William Harris • (talk) • 09:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Temperament follies

This portion is confusing. Does this double negative imply that they are favored for loyalty? The section below needs a re-write.

Irish wolfhounds are often not favored for their lack of loyalty, affection, patience and devotion. At some points in history they have been used as watchdogs, unlike some breeds, the Irish wolfhound is usually reliable in this role as they are often not friendly toward strangers, their size can be a natural deterrent. That said, when protection is required this dog is never found wanting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.50.223 (talk) 05:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That was vandalism -- I've fixed it. Anna ^talk 06:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly over enthusiastic use of "citation needed"

At the end of the first paragraph of the "Pre-19th Century" portion of the "History" section of this article, there is a reference given for The New Complete Irish Wolfhound by Joel Samaha. Despite this fact, there is a notation of "citation needed" in every single sentence of this paragraph.

Has it been determined that the information presented in this paragraph is not contained in the book referenced? Or was the person inserting the repeated requests for citations positing doubt as to the credibility of the reference itself? If it is the latter, a single notation regarding the reliability of the source should suffice. Lunarmovements (talk) 17:48, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Pre-19th century Ancient wood cuts[citation needed]" There are no "ancient" woodcuts of the Irish Wolfhound in its present form. I suspect this is reference to the woodcuts of the Gardner's volume "The Irish Wolfhound" first publication date 1931.

There is no proof provided of "writings have placed them in existence as a breed by 273 BC."

There is no proof provided of "indication[citation needed] that they existed even as early as 600 BC when the Tectosages and Tolistobogii Celts sacked Delphi."

There is no proof provided of "Survivors left accounts[citation needed] of the fierce Celts and the huge dogs who fought with them and at their side. They were mentioned by Julius Caesar[citation needed] in his treatise, The Gallic Wars,"

To those whom it may concern: if there is any, please provide reliable and verifiable proof that these dogs were actually mentioned, and that they are the same as the modern "breed", so that mythology is no longer propagated on this page, either by hearsay or by reference to poorly or inaccurately researched printed works. --Richard Hawkins (talk) 23:09, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

American Kennel Club???

Why is this article using the American Kennel Club as a point of reference? Why not the standard of the country of origin, which is also the internationally-recognised FCI standard?109.255.138.92 (talk) 23:04, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know which McBryde book is being referenced?

The Magnificent Irish Wolfhound or The Irish Wolfhound Guide by Mary McBryde both seem to be 1998 books. I presume it is at least one of these books that is being cited. Antiqueight ^discuss 00:00, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind - I missed it on the page : McBryde, Mary (1998). The Irish Wolfhound: Symbol of Celtic Splendor. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-0-87605-169-6.Antiqueight ^discuss 00:00, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Colors

I don't know how they're referenced in Britain but, in America, the photos should be brindle and cream rather than tri-colour and white. Or perhaps the photo labeled as white is just not a good photo of a white coat - which is extremely rare. Ginagale (talk) 22:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Origin of the Irish Wolfhound is Ireland, not England. 109.77.12.209 (talk) 06:27, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the article you would know that the modern breed (which is what this article is about) was developed in England as the original breed had gone extinct. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:54, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are incorrect and if you paid attention to the details of the breeding method you would not falsify the origin of the breed:

In 1863, Graham travelled to Ireland in order to gather the last remaining Irish wolfhounds, and in County Kilkenny, he acquired several hounds both claimed to descend from strains going back to the wolfhounds of old.

Note: if Graham gathered "the last remaining Irish wolfhounds" then that means that the species or direct descents were present in Ireland as late as 1863. This categorically removes the origin claim for England and recourse to the traditional origin which is Ireland. Some later development of the breed occurred in England. Fantastic, yet the origin is Ireland. Enib99 (talk) 08:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Change: Origin: England

To: Origin Ireland

Background: The Irish Wolfhound is one of the most ancient dog breeds, with origins dating back thousands of years.

In the long history of the Irish wolfhound some minor breed development occurred in England post-1863 from Irish wolfhounds sourced in Kilkenny, Ireland. They were almost extinct by the 1800s but some descendant individuals were in Ireland and:

"In 1863, Graham travelled to Ireland in order to gather the last remaining Irish wolfhounds, and in County Kilkenny, he acquired several hounds both claimed to descend from strains going back to the wolfhounds of old." Citation: Graham, G.A. (1885). The Irish wolfhound. Revised. Oxford University.

The modern breed is a subtopic of the original breed and should be treated as such with the correct breeding history and chronological hierarchy preserved. Otherwise the chronological breeding account and historical accuracy of this page is in serious doubt. Enib99 (talk) 08:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Clearly not an uncontroversial change. PianoDan (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the purpose of adding to the discussion, the reason this article is now seeing a surge of change requests is it was linked to on an Irish reddit post. 0123Qwerty3210 (talk) 08:24, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The controversy can be solved by having a subtopic entitled: Breeding Developments in the 1800s or Modern Irish Wolfhound Breed. The main article is on the Irish wolfhound which is an ancient and persisting breed with its origin in Ireland. Given the context of this article there is an erroneous origin detailed. Enib99 (talk) 22:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is on the extant standardised breed which was developed in England. See also Canaan dog which lists the origin as Israel despite supposedly descending from ancient dogs. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not what the article is about. Most of the article discusses the original breed and its history. Modern Irish Wolfhound or Post 1800s Wolfhound is the correct subtopic for the modern breed under the umbrella of Irish Wolfhound. Enib99 (talk) 22:47, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If we were discussing the extinct ancient breed the article would use past tense. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How has the modern breed: "inspired literature, poetry and mythology"? Using time travel? I have suggested the edits. The article is very confused WP:CONSENSUS is a good approach. Enib99 (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove note Origin: England(a):

(a)The original, historic Irish Wolfhound originated in Ireland. The modern breed, however, was developed in Gloucestershire, England (for further information, see Modern wolfhound).

Background: Given that the foundation stock was sourced in Ireland:

"In 1863, Graham travelled to Ireland in order to gather the last remaining Irish wolfhounds, and in County Kilkenny, he acquired several hounds both claimed to descend from strains going back to the wolfhounds of old." Citation: Graham, G.A. (1885). The Irish wolfhound. Revised. Oxford University.

There is one persistent Irish wolfhound with various breeding developments, augmentation and revivals over a long historical progression. Therefore, this modern breed is a subtopic of the original breed and should be treated as such with the correct breeding history and chronological hierarchy preserved. This text obfuscates the origin by suggesting that there is no link between modern and "historic" breeds. This is categorically false and shows poor understanding of breeding, genetics and historical progression and hierarchy. Enib99 (talk) 22:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop repeatedly making edit requests. They won't be fulfilled. You need to establish WP:CONSENSUS for this change. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a different edit relating to the unclear additional note. No other edits. WP:CONSENSUS sounds good, thanks. Enib99 (talk) 22:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]