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Stub

Instead of deleting this, we should just replace it with a stub. The actual concept of phantom energy exists (see the pages which link to it for explanation), this would probably better be classified as vandalism. EagleFalconn 19:26, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

MOS:INDENT

@ReyHahn: Per your user/talk page, contacting you here. Regarding Special:Diff/1283949144. Per MOS:INDENT:

Do not use : (description list markup) to indent text in articles, even though it is common on talk pages. It causes accessibility problems and outputs invalid HTML. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility § Indentation for alternatives.
To display a mathematical formula in its own indented paragraph, use <math display="block">...</math>. See Help:Displaying a formula#Block for more details.

Seeing as I was the one who corrected it to begin with, I won’t revert your reversion. However, I want to make sure you’re aware of this.

If you don’t like how it displays with display="block" (At least on my phone, it looks semi-awful with mobile web vector, centered on the page, but…), you could always convert it to inline instead of re-inserting broken HTML that’s bad for accessibility. Maybe. IDK. You really didn’t provide an edit summary to justify the change, so I’m not sure. I’d love to hear your thoughts! EmptySora_ (talk) 09:19, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw you changed it back to block. Thanks! I didn’t know if there was some reason for it—something you knew that I didn’t, some weird render bug on desktop or some other rendering of WP, Parsoid shenanigans, or what have you. I didn’t want to change it back without any feedback.

One thing I would like to note: I had no clue that the comma would appear inline with the math element on Mobile Web (I use the iOS app, mainly). In the iOS app (probably Android too—both use Parsoid), the comma renders on the subsequent line, not the same line. On a number of pages I’ve seen, they put the period or comma inside the math tag at the end, which, on both web and in the apps, renders it same line. It’s really late for me, so I don’t have time to edit and make this change today, though. (I barely have enough time for this comment, lol) EmptySora_ (talk) 08:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for informing me, I modified it. I have been editing many physics articles and this has never been brought out. I find it clunky and I do not see any url problem with using ":" I will raise this concern to the WikiProject or the MOS. The "math display block" configuration has give me trouble in the past when using visual editor that's why I preferred the most natural solution. Also I confirm it does not indent on mobile. --ReyHahn (talk) 11:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The comma should appear next to it but I added the comma inside just in case. If it appears in the following line it is the math block display that is doing bad stuff. That's why I do not use it, again I just learned about it I will ask others.--ReyHahn (talk) 11:17, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I’ve learned, indentation is just generally a nightmare in most cases that aren’t quotes—it’s not consistent by any means, especially when Parsoid is involved. Seemingly everything that works on one platform breaks on another. True, description list markup is the easiest in a number of cases (and visually looks okay), but it causes accessibility issues with screen readers (among other issues) and is why the MOS says not to do that. (See MOS:INDENTGAP’s / the Indentation section’s second paragraph for the exact reasons why.)

Semantically, you are right, though, that the comma should go outside. Currently, that causes issues in the iOS app (and presumably the Android app) since the app seems to be treating it like CSS display: block, which is clearly not the intention, judging by what the visual editor shows (since the apps and visual editor both use Parsoid). EmptySora_ (talk) 12:14, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]